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Thursday, January 26, 2006

Wisconsin embarrassing itself again

Sometimes I am amazed at the kind of laws people want to pass. I'm even more amazed when a legislator proposes a bill that is completely out of touch with any real problems society may be facing and manages to stay in office. I'd like to know what Scott Gunderson (R-Waterford) is thinking. "Crime? Na, that's not a problem. Taxes? No big deal. Healthcare? Education? No. This state's biggest problem is that we just don't have enough armed second graders roaming the woods." Gunderson, who is also the owner of "Gunderson's Liquor and Sport" (I shit you not), has proposed a bill that would lower the legal hunting age in Wisconsin from 12 years old to 8.

Said Gunderson:

"It's important to get kids involved in hunting at a younger age. If they are not engaged in hunting by 12 or 13, they probably won't be."

Um, so what? Some don't think this is a good idea.

But the idea of a lower hunting age horrifies Joe Slattery, whose 14-year-old son was accidentally shot and killed by a 12-year-old while deer hunting in Marinette County last year.

"This is a child safety issue," Slattery said. "Eight-year-olds don't have the coordination or attention span or physical ability to handle a gun. They are learning cursive writing and some of them believe in Santa Claus."

Eight-year-olds are also not supposed to ride bikes with handbreaks since their lack of coordination would make doing so dangerous.


  • And Doyle's veto of the PPA was just overridden. Perhaps next we can make it legal for little kids to carry concealed weapons.

    By Blogger JesusIsJustAlrightWithMe, at 6:35 PM  

  • I guess the first question is do you hunt Danny or have you ever hunted I am just trying to get your frame of refrence on this. There are states where children as young as 8 can hunt with adult supervision. I have a 5 year old who shoots already once again under very strict adult supervision he is safer with a firearm then many adults I know I would have no problem taking him into the woods hunting when he is 8 because he as been taught the proper way to use a firearm. Now my youngest son may be 30 before he gets his first gun ;)
    Yes it is easy to find a case where a 12 year old shot someone hunting but I would be more afraid of the drunk hunters from Chicago then I would ever be of a well trained supervised 8 year old. Once again it goes to frame of refrence also city kids vs country/rural kids a lot of "farm" kids are driving by 8-10 on farms because its part of the life. where you would never think of letting a child that young drive in a urban enviroment.

    So while its easy to make fun of the idea there is some merit to the idea.

    Regards,,,,,,,,,, ;)

    By Blogger Chris, at 7:11 PM  

  • To be totally honest, I'm not so much agains the idea of an 8-year-old hunting as I am against the idea of a legislator wasting his time and resources pushing something so trivial and pointless through the legislative process. However, I do think it is a bad idea. I used to teach in a second grade classroom. Not one of the kids I've ever taught should go anywhere near a gun. This was in Eau Claire so your rural/urban distinction doesn't hold up for me. My question for you Mr. GB is what would be so bad about your 5-year-old waiting until he's 12? And I don't like drunks from Chicago hunting either.

    By Blogger DannyNoonan, at 7:27 PM  

  • Oh, and no I've never hunted or even shot a gun. I doubt I ever will. But I am not against hunting or anything like that. I love venison (sp?) and a lot of my friends are hunters. But none od this should matter because it has nothing to do with my stance here. I do vote and I do pay taxes.

    By Blogger DannyNoonan, at 7:43 PM  

  • We'll ask the state legislature to declare war on Iran. Would that be serious enough for you?

    By Blogger James Wigderson, at 8:21 PM  

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    By Blogger PaulNoonan, at 9:25 PM  

  • Let's try that again.

    I'm in favor of all legislators passing 8-year-old hunting laws, resolutions condemning and supporting various wars, etc., because that is time spent not screwing up important things. Do we really want the owner of Steve's liquor and sports weighing in on med malpractice caps?

    GB, children are like drunk adults, and while we do, for all intents and purposes, allow drunk hunting, I think we all agree that it is not the greatest idea in principle. Same thing with kids hunting.

    By Blogger PaulNoonan, at 9:29 PM  

  • I have to disagree why wait for 12 If I as his parent think he is ready to do it now. he is very good at it and enjoys it. There have been olympic shooting champions as young as 16 when do you think they started shooting. I still believe this is a urban vs rural mindset issue.

    Danny never shot a gun "shudder" you dont know what your missing If your both ever in SE Wis and want to try it let me know I will crack open the Vault and let you enjoy my toy box lol You should really do it once in your life if only so you can tell people yes I have done it when you get in these arguments. I believe you would suprise yourself and enjoy it. Except for the part where my 5 year old would out shoot you lol.

    Open offer to either one you. I will even bring the assualt rifle lol.

    By Blogger Chris, at 10:52 PM  

  • "We'll ask the state legislature to declare war on Iran. Would that be serious enough for you?"

    That's a stupid waste of time too.

    "Do we really want the owner of Steve's liquor and sports weighing in on med malpractice caps?

    Of course not. We want the owner of Steve's liquor and sports to not be a legislator.

    By Blogger DannyNoonan, at 11:08 PM  

  • you know that sounds a bit eltist Danny

    The man is a small business owner so he has more real work experence then say Russ Feingold

    What you require to qualify someone as a legislator? Do they have to have some college or a UG degree and should the degree have to be in Poli Sci to be truly qualified. I dont believe because Gunderson owns a small business that isnt chic or cool but very blue collar makes him less qualified to be in the Assembly.

    If we got more real people in gov and got more lawyers and lobbiest out of gov we would all be better off.

    By Blogger Chris, at 8:01 AM  

  • We're just having a bit of fun with his ill-named business, but I have no problem with small businessmen becoming legislators. Really, I just want intelligent people, and I would prefer that they accomplish little in office.

    I don't think that a person's working background is a good predictor of their future performance in office, largely because the reason that they will get in office is likeability, a characteristic that bears no relationship to effective legislating.

    By Blogger PaulNoonan, at 10:10 AM  

  • so thats why my old bike had the brakes on the pedals. Those were sweet. Danny, you should design a real bike with brakes if you pedal backwards.

    p.s. thanks for the swords

    By Anonymous Phil, at 11:03 AM  

  • I agree with Paul. I'm not knocking small businesses. I'm just knocking the name of that dudes. You have to admit it sounds pretty redneck. I'm sure that's what he was going for too. Also, lawyers ARE real people.

    By Blogger DannyNoonan, at 1:00 PM  

  • Danny may have ridiculed the effort without evaluating it thoroughly, but not without some valid points. I've shot guns. My family hunts. Admittedly, I've never killed anything with a gun though. I can easily see some eight year olds being great at it. Most would suck though. Really though, I do not have the expertise to know what the proper age limit should be. I will say that children are not very developed cognitively and morally by age eight. They are much further ahead by 12. Yes some behave better than adults, but that's because of what they've been told. I don't see what the real big hurry is to get kids out hunting anyway. We all have to wait until we're the requisite age to do things like drive (in traffic, not tractors or trucks in a field). Making some desperate effort to stop declining hunting rates is not a good reason for allowing potentially risky behavior.

    Just because some people with a .15% alchohol level can drive better than some sober people doesn't mean we should raise the blood alcohol level. Similarly, just because some kids can hunt well at 8 doesn't mean we should lower the hunting age limit.

    By Anonymous Scott H, at 5:27 PM  

  • Lawyers are evil blood sucking monsters I should know I am married to one;P lol

    By Blogger Chris, at 7:43 AM  

  • What part of "the 8-11 years old must be within arms length of an adult and share the weapon" do you not understand??

    By Blogger cyberski, at 1:38 PM  

  • I went hunting as a child and my family still are avid hunters. However, do we really want to hand kids guns right after they are allowed to get out of a carseat? With the new car seat laws they must be restrained in a car seat til age 8. So let's hand them a gun right away. I don't think it is unreasonable to wait until age 12. I did!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:56 AM  

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