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Tuesday, October 24, 2006

Meta-Proof That People Suck

If you ever find yourself agreeing with a sentence like this:

"The sad truth is, once the humans get out of the picture, the outlook starts to get a lot better," says John Orrock, a conservation biologist at the National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis in Santa Barbara, California.

you may need to take a minute to reevaluate your priorities. Yes, this guy is advocating for the position that the Earth would be better off without us. I'm not sure how the Earth would know, as it has no brain, and isn't even, in fact, alive, but this is a fairly commonly held idea.

Intelligent life is the best thing that has ever happened to this planet. Without intelligent life, existence is savage, miserable, an short. People rule. It's too bad that this guy chooses not to participate in intelligent life.


  • That reminds me of a conversation I had with this vegan hippie dude on my frisbie team a while back. A few of us were at a bar and he's talking about how much humans mess everything up. The conversation went like this:

    Him: Did you guys know that human beings are the only animal that drinks another animal's milk?

    Some girl on my team: Hmmmm... Interesting...

    Me: Yeah, obviously. I also heard that humans are the only animal that, like, builds sky-scrapers. Lets make a list of all the sweet things humans do that none of the other animals do. So far we have drink cow milk and build sky-scrapers.

    By Blogger DannyNoonan, at 11:29 PM  

  • Sit in bars drinking thinking about how much we know about life.

    "Intelligent life is the best thing that has ever happened to this planet." Scientifically debatable.

    Sometimes I think the Noonan boys have just traded in one faith for another. ie/ Concluding people were dumber when they couldn't go online to solve the Rubiks Cube. You'll be fine though because I see you both never doubting that you have the best of all possible lives/lifestyles.

    Entertaining thoughts, as always.

    Dan that humans drinking another species' milk instead of their own is a concept from Fit for Life. Interesting book -- he built a bestselling diet around it -- if you wanted to consider from another perspective. Not endorsing the idea, just not sure if you were familiar with the source material or wanted more than bartalk discussion on what it's about.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:31 AM  

  • ps:

    Ixnay on the TX Scott link.
    He either sold out,
    or was dumb enough to quit his blog officially.

    Remember, if you give it up on blogspot, keep your homepage and manually kill off all your posts if you have a change of heart. Abandoning your site allows anyone to pick up your traffic marketing another product. Though I'm not sure here if that guy just sold to related interests for quick cash.

    Anyway, kill the link before you open it on work computers. Nasty to visualize what that boy paid fo'. The most intelligent animals indeed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:36 AM  

  • Eh, I don't think anything I think is a matter of blind faith. And I wouldn't say I never doubt that I have the best lifestyle. Not By a longshot. I change my mind about things all the time when I see new information. Sometimes talking about how much we know about life in bars is a good way to get that information.

    My point wasn't that drinking cow milk is superior to not drinking cow milk. To me it is, since I think it's delicious. My point is that if there is a problems with it, it isn't that it is unnatural or some other such nonsense.

    My thing about the Rubiks cube was that information is more available now, not that we're smarter now.

    Paul's point, I believe, isn't so much that the Earth is objectively better now. It's that the only good way to judge the state of the Earth is by judging the quality of life of the human beings on it. Even if you like clear skies and clean water more than cars, TV dinners, medicine, and the interweb, none of that matters if you aren't here to enjoy those clear skies and clean water.

    By Blogger DannyNoonan, at 8:47 AM  

  • Yeah, Danny pretty much covered any response I would make, other than to say that it is only scientifically debatable if we ahve, you know, scientists around to debate it.

    By Blogger PaulNoonan, at 9:09 AM  

  • Sure the Earth may complain about us now, but wait untill there is a asteroid the size of Texas hurtling towards it, and we land rough but lovable oil drilling roughnecks on it, and split it apart by detonating a Nuke in it's core. Or, alternatively, we do what happened in that same kind of movie where Morgan Freeman was president, where the earth still gets hit, but not nearly as badly, due to the efforts of astronauts.

    Then see if the earth complains. This matter is now resolved.

    By Anonymous phil, at 1:17 PM  

  • The Earth is just a fairweather fan. When we win back the interstellar pig, it'll be back on the human bandwagon.

    By Blogger Scott H, at 3:46 PM  

  • The only good way to judge the state of the Earth is by judging the quality of life of the human beings on it.

    Sweetly entertaining.
    If a world exists beyond your comprehension, yet you are not capable of observing it, does it still exist? I say yes.
    Have faith: it's a science-based question, nothing to do with religion.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:34 PM  

  • "If a world exists beyond your comprehension, yet you are not capable of observing it, does it still exist?"

    The answer to your hypothetical question is yes. A follow up hypothetical:
    If a world exists beyond your/my/our comprehension, is it possible that you/me/we improve the state of that world by driving cars/drinking milk/smoking crack/clear-cutting the rainforest/playing Monopoly etc. etc. etc.?

    The point is, we can't really take worlds that are beyond our comprehension into account when we make decisions, can we?

    By Blogger DannyNoonan, at 6:46 PM  

  • Although it technically isn't milk, as in, it isn't produced by mammary glands, ants do drink a milky substance that they get from aphids. Nice summary here.

    By Blogger MDS, at 10:43 AM  

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    By Anonymous Movies, at 11:26 PM  

  • Counter example: Milk has never been a part of the traditional Chinese diet (it was always soy for a couple thousand of years).

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:35 AM  

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